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Immigration realities

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Related links:
• Diversity: the unpalatable reality, https://controlc.com/c4fa8aba
• So-called "pay gap" propaganda, https://controlc.com/75511dfe
• Immigration realities, https://controlc.com/8a8fe841
• Criminal justice in the West – context and causes, https://controlc.com/f22ea85d
• Woke - a definition, https://controlc.com/3ad450fb
• UK prognosis / the economic unsustainability of the welfare state: https://bit.ly/UK_collapse

On immigration, it's politically unfashionable to articulate in polite society, but all people are neither the same, nor equal.

Here is the argument for far stricter immigration enforcement:

1. Citizens are entitled to control borders, incl. cultures/religions/levels of education-employability-criminality.

2. If you import the 3rd world, you become the 3rd world (£££, social cohesion, anti-semitism, violence/sexual offences).

3. We owe others nothing. Hobbes' 1651 Leviathan warned: poor people's lives are "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short". The 3rd world needs birth control, anti-corruption & science over religion. Not migration.

4. In 1950, Africa was 9% of world population. UNICEF warns it will be 40%/4.2BN: the most radical demographic change in history.

5. Politicians' only loyalty should be to their electorates. Individuals can donate to charity or invite migrants to share their own homes (No takers?).

6. Ilłegals should be deported immediately & without taxpayer-funded legal gymnastics.

7. We should emulate "YOU WILL NEVER MAKE AUSTRALIA YOUR HOME”: 3rd world offshore processing facilities rendering illegal migration futile.

8. The Refugee Convention & ECHR forbid this. Laws should serve the public, not vice versa: we should withdraw from both conventions.

See also:

Lifeboat Ethics: the Case Against Helping the Poor, by Garrett Hardin, Psychology Today, September 1974, available free online at the Garrett Hardin Society: https://www.garretthardinsociety.org/articles/art_lifeboat_ethics_case_against_helping_poor.html and as a PDF here: https://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil1100/Hardin.pdf

If liberals insist that only fascists will enforce borders, then voters will hire fascists to do the job liberals refuse to do. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252. If Liberals Won’t Enforce Borders, Fascists Will, David Frum, The Atlantic, April 2019.

The Conversation, Why Australia should abandon the Refugee Convention, 18 November 2011. https://theconversation.com/why-australia-should-abandon-the-refugee-convention-4003

International Business Times, Australia: Controversial 'No Way' anti-Immigration Advert Sparks Outrage, 14 October 2014 - https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/australia-controversial-no-way-anti-immigration-advert-sparks-outrage-1470023;

Buzzfeed, Australian Government Sends Graphic Message To Asylum Seekers, 12 February 2014 - https://www.buzzfeed.com/jennaguillaume/australian-government-sends-graphic-message-to-asylum-seeker;

Australian Government website, Operation Sovereign Borders - https://osb.homeaffairs.gov.au; and

"The Australian Government is implementing the toughest border protection measures ever to combat maritime people smuggling and protect Australia's borders." Youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT12WH4a92w

The Globe and Mail, Population boom: 40% of all humans will be African by end of century, 12 August 2014 - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/africa-to-experience-population-boom/article19998373

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Countries improve, or do not improve, largely based on their internal cultures and dynamics, and how they create violence and corruption. Steven Pinker's superb 'The Better Angels of Our Nature: A History of Violence and Humanity' describes how norms and taboos governing the interactions among people in a culture but can increase violence when the norms are tribal, authoritarian, and/or puritanical. (NY Times review: '“The Better Angels of Our Nature” is a supremely important book. To have command of so much research, spread across so many different fields, is a masterly achievement.' http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/09/books/review/the-better-angels-of-our-nature-by-steven-pinker-book-review.html?pagewanted=all / https://archive.is/rHlbC).

Michela Wrong's, 'It’s Our Turn to Eat' is a fascinating if depressing case study of corruption in African culture. In it she asks 'what is unique about African society that makes corruption so hard to eradicate, so sweeping in its scope, so destructive in its impact? Why have so many African presidents found it so easy to reduce all political discussion to the self-serving calculation of which tribe gets to "eat"? And at what stage will Africans start placing the wider interests of their nation ahead of the narrow interests of their tribe?' (Guardian review: 'The stink of corruption: Raymond Bonner applauds a hard-hitting and far-reaching study of bribery in Kenya. ...[Michela Wrong] is an exceptionally talented writer... Wrong makes depressingly clear that corruption in the developing world is aided and abetted by donor governments and the World Bank...' https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/mar/14/politics / https://archive.is/SzXBB).

Unfortunately, the Middle East, and much of Africa, are riven by tribal, religious, and political rivalries which will take centuries to play out. In many respects, they are less countries, than ‘tribes with flags’. It's not the in *air* those countries which makes them violent and backward, it's not the in *soil* those countries which makes them violent and backward, it's not the *governments* in those countries which makes them violent and backward, it's the *people* in those countries which makes them violent and backward. And left-wingers want to import them.

Allowing certain people into one's country is actively dangerous:

Migrants are responsible for 70% of the robberies and 73% of the murders in Sweden. It takes some serious lying to claim Sweden doesn’t have a migrant crime problem.

“In 2005, the Swedish Crime Prevention Agency published a report about the link between immigration and crime. Since then, no comprehensive study has been conducted even though Sweden has experienced a large influx of migrants in combination with a rising crime rate. This study conducted by Göran Adamson and Tino Sanandaji is the first purely descriptive scientific investigation on the matter in fifteen years. The investigation (from 2002 to 2017) covers seven distinct categories of crime, and distinguishes between seven regions of origin. Based on 33 per cent of the population (2017), 58 per cent of those suspect for total crime on reasonable grounds are migrants. Regarding murder, manslaughter and attempted murder, the figures are 73 per cent, while the proportion of robbery is 70 per cent. Non-registered migrants are linked to about 13 per cent of total crime. Given the fact that this group is small, crime propensity among non-registered migrants is significant.” https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-019-00436-8 / https://archive.is/Kj6it

As for Germany, well where to begin?

“First Stuttgart, then Frankfurt. On both occasions, police were targeted by an outpouring of aggression from hundreds of mainly young men. Shopfronts were destroyed, stores were plundered. Dumpsters were hurled across the streets. Video recordings from Frankfurt show bystanders cheering on as men make a sport of throwing bottles at police officers. Why are a majority of the rioters apparently members of immigrant communities? Could Germany face the kind of violence and unrest that has for so long torn through France's notorious banlieues? [...] Both the AfD and Angela Merkel's conservative CDU party draw a direct line between what they see as a breakdown in law and order and what they deem to be failed integration strategies.”

Source: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-stuttgart-frankfurt-violence/a-54267195 / https://archive.is/WVnop

“Bar a blip in the mid-2000s, overall crime [was] decreasing in Germany since the early 1990s. But that changed in 2015 – about the same time hundreds of thousands of refugees began entering the country. In 2014, there were 6.1 million offences recorded by the police. By 2016, this had risen to 6.4 million – these figures include immigration violations which, inevitably, impact migrants. Within that, violent crime rose from 180,000 cases to 193,000 between 2014 and 2016. The number of murders increased by 14.6% and rapes by 8%, over the same period. [...] Since 2014, the proportion of non-German suspects in the crime statistics has increased from 24% to just over 30% (when we take out crimes related to immigration and asylum irregularities). Breaking that down even further, in 2017 those classified as “asylum applicants or civil war refugees or illegal immigrants” represented a total of 8.5% of all suspects. This is despite their population representing just 2% of Germany as a whole. When it comes to violent crime, 10.4% of murder suspects and 11.9% of sexual offence suspects were asylum-seekers and refugees in 2017. A government-backed analysis of the German state of Lower Saxony, which has taken the fourth-highest number of asylum seekers, showed there was an increase of violent crime by 10.4% between 2014 and 2016. It analysed the crimes that had been solved, and attributed the overwhelming majority of the rise to migrants.”

That's from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45419466 / https://archive.is/wFxWB - i.e. that is the impeccably 'right-on', left-wing BBC saying that. It's a 2018 report though, and political correctness has advanced considerably since then. I suspect nowadays it would be censored, and the author cancelled for wrongthink.

An interesting analysis of Jamaican propensity for violence is here: https://cpsi.media/p/jamaica-is-not-doing-ok / https://archive.is/wip/hwpxC

Modern lefties won't listen to evil white people though, so listen instead to the warnings from a black, female, Muslim:

“Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Research Fellow Stanford University prior which she was a Fellow at Harvard University. Her journey began in Somalia in 1969 where, as a young girl, she was subjected to female genital mutilation (FGM). Upon being forced by her father to marry a distant cousin, she fled to Holland and claimed political asylum. There she worked her way up from being a janitor to serving as an elected member of the Dutch parliament. As an MP, she campaigned to raise awareness of violence against women, including so-called "honour killings" and FGM, practices that had followed her fellow immigrants into Holland. In 2004, Ayaan gained international attention following the murder of Theo van Gogh. He had directed her short film, Submission, about the oppression of women under Islam. The assassin left a death threat for her pinned to Van Gogh's chest. This tragic event, and Ayaan’s life leading up to it, are all chronicled in her best-selling book, Infidel.” https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Infidel/Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/9780743289696 / https://archive.is/wip/pHsmr

In her latest book, Prey: Immigration, Islam, and the Erosion of Women's Rights, she asks:

“Why are so few people talking about the eruption of sexual violence and harassment in Europe’s cities? No one in a position of power wants to admit that the problem is linked to the arrival of several million migrants—most of them young men—from Muslim-majority countries.

In Prey, the best-selling author of Infidel, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, presents startling statistics, criminal cases and personal testimony. Among these facts: In 2014, sexual violence in Western Europe surged following a period of stability. In 2018 Germany, “offences against sexual self-determination” rose 36 percent from their 2014 rate; nearly two-fifths of the suspects were non-German. In Austria in 2017, asylum-seekers were suspects in 11 percent of all reported rapes and sexual harassment cases, despite making up less than 1 percent of the total population.

This violence isn’t a figment of alt-right propaganda, Hirsi Ali insists, even if neo-Nazis exaggerate it. It’s a real problem that Europe—and the world—cannot continue to ignore. She explains why so many young Muslim men who arrive in Europe engage in sexual harassment and violence, tracing the roots of sexual violence in the Muslim world from institutionalized polygamy to the lack of legal and religious protections for women.

A refugee herself, Hirsi Ali is not against immigration. As a child in Somalia, she suffered female genital mutilation; as a young girl in Saudi Arabia, she was made to feel acutely aware of her own vulnerability. Immigration, she argues, requires integration and assimilation. She wants Europeans to reform their broken system—and for Americans to learn from European mistakes. If this doesn’t happen, the calls to exclude new Muslim migrants from Western countries will only grow louder.

Deeply researched and featuring fresh and often shocking revelations, Prey uncovers a sexual assault and harassment crisis in Europe that is turning the clock on women’s rights much further back than the #MeToo movement is advancing it.” https://www.harpercollins.com/products/prey-ayaan-hirsi-ali?variant=32126595203106 / https://archive.is/wip/bxo4I

These are, of course, unfashionable arguments - coming as they do from evidence, not emotion. Labour, for example, have a pitifully naïve view of the world. Their MPs' comments remind me of a BBC documentary a few years ago, in which a bunch of do-gooder leftie young women aid workers were genuinely shocked that, when some of the local population decided that they wanted to indulge in murder and rape: (a) they shot the aid workers’ male colleagues in the head in front of the women; (b) they then raped the women themselves; (c) no one swooped in like a fantasy deus ex machina to protect them; and (d) the survivors complained about it for years afterwards (that 'the West'/'the UN' didn't intervene), as if it wasn’t the entirely predictable consequence of working in such countries. I can’t do justice to the abject cluelessness, ignorance and sense of dumb entitlement evinced by the individuals in question, but I do recommend the podcast. I found it genuinely terrifying that such spectacularly stupid people live, breed, and vote:

“[Some viewers may find parts of this report difficult to listen to] "Hiding in the bathroom. They’re trying to break down our door. We maybe have about five minutes.” Juba, capital of South Sudan, 11 July 2016. The female aid worker sending this message was among a number of international and local staff taking refuge behind a bullet proof door in the housing compound where they lived. Tensions were running high in South Sudan’s three year civil war and government troops had gone on the rampage attacking the compound. As the soldiers tried to break down the door, the terrified group frantically appealed to United Nations peacekeepers based just over a kilometre away. Using their phones and sending messages via Skype and Facebook their calls for help went unheeded.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p051f1js

Islam is also regularly criticised. That's not racism, it is because Islam is a garbage, nonsensical intolerant religion which deserves to be criticised. This is an entirely 'equal opportunities policy': many of us have seen “The Life of Brian”, why haven't we seen an equivalent “Life of Mohammed”? Because anyone associated with such a film would be brutally murdered by backward savages, as we have seen in countless examples globally when Islam has perceived to have been 'disrespected' - .e.g. the Charlie Hebdo murders We need more criticism of Islam, not less.

Sam Harris, the US philosopher, warns:

“It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. In Islam, we confront a civilization with an arrested history. It is as though a portal in time has opened, and the Christians of the 14th century are pouring into our world.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe. Throughout the E.U., Muslim immigrants often show little inclination to acquire the secular and civil values of their host countries, and yet exploit these values to the utmost—demanding tolerance for their backwardness, their misogyny, their anti-Semitism, and the genocidal hatred that is regularly preached in their mosques. Political correctness and fears of racism have rendered many secular Europeans incapable of opposing the terrifying religious commitments of the extremists in their midst. [...]
The idea that Islam is a “peaceful religion hijacked by extremists” is a dangerous fantasy—and it is now a particularly dangerous fantasy for Muslims to indulge. It is not at all clear how we should proceed in our dialogue with the Muslim world, but deluding ourselves with euphemisms is not the answer. It now appears to be a truism in foreign policy circles that real reform in the Muslim world cannot be imposed from the outside. But it is important to recognize why this is so—it is so because the Muslim world is utterly deranged by its religious tribalism. In confronting the religious literalism and ignorance of the Muslim world, we must appreciate how terrifyingly isolated Muslims have become in intellectual terms. The problem is especially acute in the Arab world. Consider: According to the United Nations’ Arab Human Development Reports, less than 2% of Arabs have access to the Internet. Arabs represent 5% of the world’s population and yet produce only 1% of the world’s books, most of them religious. In fact, Spain translates more books into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the ninth century.
Our press should report on the terrifying state of discourse in the Arab press, exposing the degree to which it is a tissue of lies, conspiracy theories and exhortations to recapture the glories of the seventh century. All civilized nations must unite in condemnation of a theology that now threatens to destabilize much of the Earth.”

Source: Sam Harris, The Reality of Islam, 8 February 2006, https://samharris.org/the-reality-of-islam / https://archive.is/wip/KyGAj

In summary, the grim reality is: if you import the third world, you become the third world.

Those who claim that we should encourage immigration, because people are equal value, and this will ‘enrich’ the West, should put their money - and their lives - where their mouth is: take themselves off to South Sudan or Afghanistan to do some aid work. I would enjoy reading about their kidnap, torture and execution. I recommend that they take correctly-sized orange jumpsuits with them: nothing ruins a pre-execution photo like poor tailoring. (I'm thinking about their next of kin: I would neither care about them nor miss them.) Ideally, they should take some similarly-minded friends with them. As many as possible, please.

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Comments from various other sources:

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/if-you-want-to-afford-a-home-they

https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/07/06/13-lives-lost-hands-illegal-aliens-past-12-months/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

"Why did we have violent riots and looting all across America in 2020? Because we tolerated it. Why do we have illegals crossing into America by the millions? Because we tolerate it. If we were to say (and mean), “We will use force, including deadly force to stop people from crossing our borders illegally, no one who comes here illegally will ever become a citizen and we will jail anyone we catch,” illegal immigration would drop down to a trickle overnight and millions of illegals would voluntarily self-deport. Like a lot of problems, the first step of fixing it is to raise our standards and become intolerant of bad behavior." https://www.culturcidal.com/p/the-virtues-of-intolerance

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Almost everyone agrees that some level of immigration is good or at least "acceptable".

How many? What is the process? What criteria? When is too much? Can we ensure they integrate? Can we limit specific backgrounds to ensure they are more likely to integrate or not unbalance societal norms (to avoid Sweden and other places)?

Wouldn't bringing in more of the physicists and engineers be net better then gardeners/cooks? After all why shouldn't native gardeners be able to charge more if there are so many successful immigrants to pay for their services? Not everyone in the USA is going to be able to be a Nobel prize winning economist. Maybe they should have the chance at a good life as well.

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I just don’t understand the notion that importing hundreds of thousands of people, every year, mostly from extremely poor countries who will therefore have no wealth of their own, is somehow a good thing for the economy. Sure they can work in poorly paid jobs and line the pockets of some business owners who don’t have to increase wages, but it is a disaster for the wider economy as most of these people will NEVER contribute more in taxes than they take in state spending on health, education etc. That will also be the case for many of their descendants (I.e for generations to come).

Why doesn’t our government (over many years) understand this? It is total madness economically and I haven’t even bothered to address the cultural issues that arise due to the countries many of these people come from which are often at odds with ‘British’ values.

Enough is enough.

Unless of course you take the view that society is just one giant Ponzi scheme and you have to keep topping up the bottom layer to stop the whole thing falling over…

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I'm an atheist from a muslim country.

My message to Europeans is simple. Don't allow unqualified criminals and islamists into your countries. Bring Asians. Bring Latinos. Bring educated secular arabs. But do not allow criminals and islamists. And apply a ZERO tolerance policy inspired by Singapore.

The real problem today in the world is a guy called Sayed El Qutb. He was an egyptian intellectual who is considered the father of ALL Islamists.
In his books, he argues that the best period for muslims was under the Islamic Caliphates, when the entire world respected and feared muslims. He believes the Islamic World went through cultural, political and economic decline due to not enough Islam. According to him, only a return to PURE Islam™ can make muslims great again. Sayed El Qutb endorsed creating an Islamic State based exclusively on Sharia Law. He praised violent jihad against the non-muslims (kouffars). He opposed secularism, gender mixing, and deeply hated jews.

He was hanged in 1964 for attempting to murder President Nasser. But his books have spread very successfully.

Sayd Qutb is to islamists what Karl Marx was to communism .

Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Nosra front. All of their creators read his books and admired him.
Saudi Arabia in the 70s started using their oil money. They opened a special university called the Islamic University of Madinah. Anyone can go study there for free to become an Imam. Saudis will pay your tuition and boarding school. Your food ? They will pay for it. These imams all learned the ideas of Sayed Al Qutb. Westerners are evil, jews are vile pigs, women must obey men, secularism is a form of mental disease.

After graduating , these Saudi-trained Imams were sent back to their country in Africa, Europe, or Malaysia, to spread Saudi soft power. And this happened for decades and decades.

They were the most successful in 2 countries in particular : Pakistan and Egypt. In these countries, a generation of public school teachers received Saudi textbooks. Imagine the result on the general Pakistani and Egyptian population.

https://www.ft.com/content/bd29399c-ea90-4da6-a9b0-533f508771be?commentID=1597c13e-1775-40cb-9223-0d63ec7748a0

Time to grow up and accept that religious Muslims are not compatible with European society.
We all know the Salafism that has taken over Islam is laden with anti-western rhetoric. Many of them still believing in the crusades to conquer the world.
The only way to integrate Muslims successfully is if they accept our secular culture and accept that their religion, like all others, is man-made nonsense. And and our side we end our nonsense about nationalism.
We need to stop pretending that these extreme forms of religious belief (like wearing the hijab) are socially acceptable in our culture. Have we not learned anything from 2000 years of religious-induced pain?? Where are the intellectuals of our society?? Are we promoting mass stupidity?? Is that our culture? To encourage, condone and fuel mass stupidity?

https://www.ft.com/content/bd29399c-ea90-4da6-a9b0-533f508771be?commentID=edc511a4-b0df-4f8a-8374-7c05a4658816

Religious muslims are also not compatible with US societies. Other cultures integrate well, Asians for the most part being a good example. They tend to keep their culture here but are respectful, productive law abiding citizens for the most part. People south of the border, like myself, used to integrate well, but have recently become more entitled for some reason. It seems this is more in South American than Mexico.

Another thing is Europeans/American need to start having more children if we want to keep our culture. I understand the cost of living and children make this difficult, but it is a conversation that needs to be had at a national level.

https://www.ft.com/content/bd29399c-ea90-4da6-a9b0-533f508771be?commentID=cb86c5ba-d1b9-4035-85c9-bea3554e6edc

https://twitter.com/knrd_z/status/1297300855222341632

One of the greatest threats to a multiracial democracy is an activation of racial identity that overpowers national identity; that is why I dislike narrow identity politics on the left (now answered by extremists on the right) so much. It’s throwing a match in a powder keg.

Once one race activates “race-above-nation” politics, the other races have no choice but to follow suit, regardless of whether they want to.

The natural human propensity to identify with one's race or ethnicity is an ineradicable feature of human nature that should be suppressed the same way that nepotism is.

Racial identity may be relevant, but it becomes a real problem when it *overpowers* national identity. We have seen this time and again, in our nation and across the world, throughout history.

Civilization requires many things that are “unnatural”. We should be more careful and judicious here, which is why I’m a hard restrictionist on immigration.

Diversity, hallowed be thy name. Fine, if this is your faith, but let’s not jump down throats that voice what even the Cathedral holds to be true.

Almost all conflict scholars—liberal, conservative, Marxist, postmodern—agree on one point: ethnic diversity causes conflict.

Academic research points in a clear direction: ethnic diversity increases probability of war, conflict, strife, decreases cohesion. Social scientists know this. “Diversity is our strength” —can you be faulted for disagreeing, based on what the sloganeers themselves have found?

The problem is the misuse of language. Diversity and multiculturalism are not the same thing. America went in for assimilation of its diverse peoples. Immigrants wanted their kids to become American in one generation.

Britain went in for multiculturalism, which is tribalism in a prettier wrapper. The rise of identitarianism is destroying the social fabric of countries in the West. Sweden is a ruined country.

For strength, a nation needs a majority of people held together by the glue of language, custom, traditions, and history. Without that core, the fabric weakens.

Don't look me in the eye and say we're a successful multiethnic society when the word Anglo-Saxon is removed from a university study group on spurious grounds, Churchill's statue has to have a box around it, museum exhibitions have turned into sociopolitical lectures that pander to identitarian history regardless of historical fact, and I've lived to see women in Arab dress in the streets chortling with glee over beheaded infants.

This was a far stronger and better country in 1950 than it is now, despite the very real economic constraints still being endured. Now it's just another multi-kulti mess. And it was totally avoidable, not an act of God.

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I live in the South of France. There is a constant presence of extremely unpleasant types from the Maghreb / Sub Saharan Africa all over the PACA metropolitan areas. There are areas that simply don't resemble anything remotely French or European. Walking with my girlfriend in the streets of Nice / Cannes / Marseille can be particularly uncomfortable as she attracts derogatory gazes despite my being with her. They hate us, and they have no intention of integrating. There are several no go areas. And let's not mention the untold savage terror attacks. This place is on the brink of civil strife- or at least it would be, were the French not so cowardly; the police offer bugger all in terms of safety and protecting its citizens, so sooner or later people are going to have to take matters into their own hands.

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Sam Harris powerfully articulated the threat back in 2006:

“[...] Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europe. The demographic trends are ominous: Given current birthrates, France could be a majority Muslim country in 25 years, and that is if immigration were to stop tomorrow.

Throughout Western Europe, Muslim immigrants show little inclination to acquire the secular and civil values of their host countries, and yet exploit these values to the utmost—demanding tolerance for their backwardness, their misogyny, their anti-Semitism, and the genocidal hatred that is regularly preached in their mosques.

Political correctness and fears of racism have rendered many secular Europeans incapable of opposing the terrifying religious commitments of the extremists in their midst. In an effort to appease the lunatic furor arising in the Muslim world in response to the publication of the Danish cartoons, many Western leaders have offered apologies for exercising the very freedoms that are constitutive of civil society in the 21st century. [....]

The idea that Islam is a “peaceful religion hijacked by extremists” is a dangerous fantasy—and it is now a particularly dangerous fantasy for Muslims to indulge. It is not at all clear how we should proceed in our dialogue with the Muslim world, but deluding ourselves with euphemisms is not the answer. [...]

It is time we realized that the endgame for civilization is not political correctness. It is not respect for the abject religious certainties of the mob. It is reason.”

https://archive.ph/3jpKY (archived from original URL at https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-reality-of-islam)

Migration / immigration - surprisingly accurate New Republic article from 1990s

https://web.archive.org/web/20000818034256/http:/www.npg.org/footnote/lind.htm

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My Lords, I will speak very briefly about one issue that has not been covered in our debate so far—or, as far as I know, in this House for many years. I put it to your Lordships that our country now faces its most serious challenge for nearly a century, yet nobody seems to be willing to discuss it. I refer to the sheer scale of current immigration and its implications for the future scale and nature of our society.

Over the past 20 years, the UK population has grown by 8 million. That is roughly eight times the population of Birmingham. Some 85% of that growth has been due to the arrival of migrants and their subsequent children. As a result, the ethnic proportion of our population is now already 21%. Recent Conservative manifestos for 2010, 2015 and 2017 all promised to get net migration down to tens of thousands. In 2019, the manifesto promised that

“overall numbers will come down”.

What actually happened? Despite all those commitments, we now face by far the highest levels of net migration in modern history. The total for the last two calendar years taken together was nearly 1.5 million. That outcome is no accident. It results from specific decisions by the previous Government to cave in to pressure groups such as universities and the care sector. That is the result, and it has not yet been tackled.

The response of the new Labour Government has so far been non-committal. There are no serious measures to reduce net migration and no targets have been set. Instead, Labour has focused on asylum, which accounts for less than one 1/10th of the overall net inflow. Even if Labour was able to achieve a reduction in net migration, let us say to 350,000 a year—about a third of the present level—the population of the UK would increase by 9 million by the mid-2040s. That is roughly the population of London. The impact on housing and public services will be immense.

The social aspects are no less important. Unless the new Government get a firm grip on immigration, it is likely that children born today to an indigenous British couple will find themselves in a minority in our country by the time they reach their late 40s. Yes: a minority in their own country.Toggle showing location ofColumn 535

Change on such a scale, and against the oft-repeated wishes of the current majority, carries very serious risks for the future stability and cohesion of our society. It is now time for some courageous leadership from our new Government, including a clear commitment to get net migration down as close as possible to 100,000 a year. That is a goal which, as we know from surveys, 80% of the public would favour, including, as the Government must know, many of their own supporters. Action on this barely even addressed matter is essential if really serious difficulties are to be avoided in the future.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2024-07-24/debates/6C3F5032-5C20-4B49-A20F-2D27E96E3809/King%E2%80%99SSpeech#:~:text=our%20country%20now%20faces%20its%20most%20serious%20challenge%20for%20nearly%20a%20century%2C%20yet%20nobody%20seems%20to%20be%20willing%20to%20discuss%20it

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/711faf20-7382-4ac3-bb04-ee1fcfec8cf6?in=17:51:00

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/britains-ilr-emergency

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/if-you-want-to-afford-a-home-they

https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/07/06/13-lives-lost-hands-illegal-aliens-past-12-months/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

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Almost everyone agrees that some level of immigration is good or at least "acceptable".

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Enough is enough.

Unless of course you take the view that society is just one giant Ponzi scheme and you have to keep topping up the bottom layer to stop the whole thing falling over…

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I'm an atheist from a muslim country.

He was hanged in 1964 for attempting to murder President Nasser. But his books have spread very successfully.

Sayd Qutb is to islamists what Karl Marx was to communism .

After graduating , these Saudi-trained Imams were sent back to their country in Africa, Europe, or Malaysia, to spread Saudi soft power. And this happened for decades and decades.

https://www.ft.com/content/bd29399c-ea90-4da6-a9b0-533f508771be?commentID=1597c13e-1775-40cb-9223-0d63ec7748a0

https://www.ft.com/content/bd29399c-ea90-4da6-a9b0-533f508771be?commentID=edc511a4-b0df-4f8a-8374-7c05a4658816

https://www.ft.com/content/bd29399c-ea90-4da6-a9b0-533f508771be?commentID=cb86c5ba-d1b9-4035-85c9-bea3554e6edc

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/britains-ilr-emergency

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/if-you-want-to-afford-a-home-they

https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/07/06/13-lives-lost-hands-illegal-aliens-past-12-months/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

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Almost everyone agrees that some level of immigration is good or at least "acceptable".

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Enough is enough.

Unless of course you take the view that society is just one giant Ponzi scheme and you have to keep topping up the bottom layer to stop the whole thing falling over…

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I'm an atheist from a muslim country.

He was hanged in 1964 for attempting to murder President Nasser. But his books have spread very successfully.

Sayd Qutb is to islamists what Karl Marx was to communism .

After graduating , these Saudi-trained Imams were sent back to their country in Africa, Europe, or Malaysia, to spread Saudi soft power. And this happened for decades and decades.

https://www.ft.com/content/bd29399c-ea90-4da6-a9b0-533f508771be?commentID=1597c13e-1775-40cb-9223-0d63ec7748a0

https://www.ft.com/content/bd29399c-ea90-4da6-a9b0-533f508771be?commentID=edc511a4-b0df-4f8a-8374-7c05a4658816

https://www.ft.com/content/bd29399c-ea90-4da6-a9b0-533f508771be?commentID=cb86c5ba-d1b9-4035-85c9-bea3554e6edc

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Sam Harris: The Reality of Islam

Sam Harris powerfully articulated the threat back in 2006:

It is time we realized that the endgame for civilization is not political correctness. It is not respect for the abject religious certainties of the mob. It is reason.”

https://archive.ph/3jpKY (archived from original URL at https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-reality-of-islam)

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https://compactmag.com/article/how-a-stabbing-changed-france

https://unherd.com/2023/09/why-britain-should-leave-the-echr

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2023/10/25/us-border-migrants-immigration-invasion-biden-democrats/
https://www.city-journal.org/article/illegal-immigrations-terrifying-cost

UK fertility has been below replacement rate for a startling 50 years. That helps explain why over the course of 25 of those years, 1973-1998, the population only grew from 56 million to 58.5 million. But in the next 25 years, UK population rose to nearly 68 million: 9.5 million new people in a generation, all while Britons were themselves under-reproducing? This demographic surge can only be down to immigration, and these new inhabitants must live somewhere. Half of the social housing in London is occupied by immigrant-led households. In my heavily council-owned neighbourhood, the students who flood the pavements on weekday afternoons are nearly all ethnically Asian or African.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-unspeakable-truth-about-housing

MIGRATION POLICY
Sir, While Angela Patey’s support for asylum seekers does her credit (letter, Jul 1), her heart not her head is doing the thinking. Last year net migration to the UK was 606,000, more than a new Liverpool or Edinburgh. People require housing and facilities. Liverpool city council provides 138 primary schools, 59 secondary schools and 40,755 registered social housing properties. These would need to be duplicated in a single year to ensure the pressure of the increased population did not impact on existing provision. Even if all the migrants were economically active on arrival, they would not generate sufficient revenue to fund the infrastructure required. Our generosity to those in need of asylum must be tempered by the resources available.
Andrew Wauchope
Wallingford, Oxon

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/times-letters-consequences-of-plan-to-boost-nhs-workforce-sd5zsnh3h

The issue isn't about housing, it's the 607,000 net inward migration that needs tackling.
In a good year the UK struggles to build 190,000 houses, that number will fall as prices fall, house builders don't build as many into a falling price market.
Both Labour and Conservative government's failed to build social housing and that is unlikely to change.
Tax as much as you like, the main issue remains ignored and the economy just shrinks under the burden of taxation.

I always marvel at how people talk about a new-build housing target, but then call people mentioning immigration "racists". The debate is so shrill.

It isn't about race, it is sheer logistics and simple economics. My town holds 190,000 people. It took many many years to build the infrastructure in terms of roads, hospitals, schools, leisure facilities, parks, gardens, police, fire, water infrastructure - to say nothing of housing. The UK would need to build 4 of these every year to cope with the influx.
Both Labour and Tory are completely inept at addressing this massive issue.

https://www.ft.com/content/18e2aef0-32ce-451c-9256-10116c120bf9?commentID=2602b20c-b769-4430-aff0-083b98979716

It's not racist to point out that the mass immigration of people who don't share your values and fail to assimilate is perhaps not ideal for a peaceful and functioning society. It's about culture, not race.
"What 'multiculturalism' boils down to is that you can praise any culture in the world except Western culture - and you cannot blame any culture in the world except Western culture." – Thomas Sowell. The more that politicians and mainstream media gaslight the public on this issue, the more likely voters will turn (in despair) to the likes of Le Pen.

In an article in The Times (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-sons-living-hell-j72t7fppc), Phillips claims that the "most detailed and comprehensive survey of British Muslim opinion yet conducted" reveals "the unacknowledged creation of a nation within the nation, with its own geography, its own values and its own very separate future." Since that got him suspended from the Labour Party for 'Islamophobia', perhaps it is unsurprising that there is no reference to religion in this article. However, if the UK is so much better at dealing with diversity than France, and yet Phillips' interpretation of the place of Muslims in British society is correct, that would suggest that French Muslims are simply further down the projected path - that the greater number of Muslims in France has helped to consolidate their nation within a nation, and hence what we see happening there prefigures the "separate future" of Muslims in Britain.
Phillips also wrote that: "A quarter supported the introduction of sharia law in parts of the UK [...] instead of the common statute laid down by parliament. Allah’s law, apparently, need take no heed of democracy." Consequently, the fragmentation of France raises two key questions for us: (1) if mass Muslim immigration continues, how will we avoid Sharia Law being implemented in parts of the UK without abandoning democracy altogether? (2) If our ability to avoid that calamitous dilemma is in doubt, why not change course on immigration now to avoid it?

Do people believe mass immigration from Africa/Middle East has made France better or worse?

I realize this can be a provocative question, but it's also a genuine one, that isn't often asked. France, like most western countries, has private & public education; from the age of three until eighteen, this is where young minds need to be. Not delivering pizza, not driving through stop signs, not driving without a chaperone, not ignoring the laws of the city nor town you live in simply because you feel entitled to be disobedient. Take responsibility for your own actions; no one, regardless of race, creed nor color gets a free pass on anything. I'm a white male & no one has ever rolled out the red carpet for me at any point in my life. My parents raised me to be civilized & in return, I've received the same ... it's really that simple.